**dévers de pas & trait carré.**

dévers de pas = DP line

trait carré = TC line or TP line

Google's translations of anything with the words dévers de pas or trait carré still sucks.

Google translations from this PDF file are just terrible.

Valley Rafter Edge Bevel Angle

Original French Text:

L’angle formé par la ligne partant du sommet pour joindre le dévers de pas à sa rencontre

avec l’axe du faîtage en plan donne l’angle de coupe sur la face déversée. La mise en herse de la

hauteur 12 à la rencontre de l’axe du faîtage donne l’angle et la longueur sur la face déversée

recevant les empannons.

Google English translation:

The angle formed by the line from the top to reach the slopes of not meeting its

with the axis of the ridge in plan is the cutting angle on the face spilled. The implementation of the harrow

height 12 to meet the ridge axis gives the angle and length of the face spilled

Jack rafter receiving.

dévers de pas --> slopes of not

dévers de pas should translate to:

dévers de pas --> the angle of the projection line

dévers de pas --> The slope of a piece of wood is warping or sloping.

dévers --> cant ... tilt

dévers --> cant .. this is not plumb.

definition of 1798 French Academy dictionary

Cant, is also a noun. "We must mark the timber along its slope,"that is to say, according to its slope or warping.

trait carré -->should translate to:

trait carré --> a line that cuts another line at right angles or a perpendicular line.

Tim Moore's blog on Stereotomy

The art of representing objects in section, elevation and plan in order to cut them out. - Louis Mazerolle

Tim's drawing's on this page are a good start on understanding the DP & TC lines.

http://stereotomy-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/devers-de-pas-2.html

or Chis Halls blog for those of you that are very advanced in the theory of timber framing by Louis Mazerolle.

http://thecarpentryway.blogspot.com/2010/03/following-mazerolle-theorie-des-devers.html

Here are a couple of examples of the timbers/rafters rotated into the roof surface plane that use the DP line to find the slope angle of the rafter and the tilt of the rafter.

Real world examples of rotated valleys

Roof rafter support post and rafters forming a maze of angles. |

Valley rafter rotated into the roof surface plane, long before we were born. |

Some more models of the rotated valleys.

Valley rafter rotated perpendicular to roof surface. The jack rafter side cuts have a zero degree miter angle. |

Rotated valleys on an polygonal plan with a sloping ridge and prow rafters on the end of the gable roof. |

**dévers de pas**

**Simplified**

To simplify the DP line geometry I'm using a square rectangle plan with an equal pitched roof slope in this example. The valley rafters that are rotated into the roof surface plane are crossing each other.

Equal Pitched Roof Slope

8:12 = 33.69007

Develop the hip rafter right triangle BGH. The rise of the roof is 8". Draw GH 8" in length and perpendicular to line BG. Then draw line HB, that represents the true length of the hip rafter.

Next draw the line LD perpendicular to line AB that intersects line BG at D. Then draw the line DF perpendicular to line BG. Line DK is equal in length to DF and is perpendicular to line LD. Draw the line LK. Next draw a line that is perpendicular to line LK.Continue line LD to intersect the line KM . The line KM is the TC line. From E, draw a line to M. The line EM is the DP line, that will establish the rafter's miter and bevel angle.

The line TC is always perpendicular to the roof surface. Laying a framing square on the roof surface from point L thru point D will locate the point M.

In this next drawing the point

**P is the intersection of line BG and EM.**From point P draw a line to F. Transfer the lines between point F,P,E and D to the side of the drawing to establish the miter angle of the rafter that's rotated into the roof surface plane. We need to establish the point Q and V for the miter angle.Draw the line DF' perpendicular to line ED. Next strike an arc from center point D the length of DF' . Then draw the line DF. Draw the line PF. Strike an arc from center point P the length of PF. Strike an arc from center point E the length of EF'. Where the two arcs intersect , point Q, draw the line QP and EQ. Draw another perpendicular line to EQ that intersects at point P. This will form the line VP. The angle VPQ is the miter angle of the valley rafter rotated into the roof surface plane.

This next drawing shows how to develop the bevel angle of the valley rafter rotated into the roof surface plane. The bevel angle is 2 * the Jack Rafter Side cut Angle.

The geometry shown on this page can be used to develop the dévers de pas, DP line, for any roof eave angle, like an pentagon (108°), hexagon (120°), octagon (135°) etc... , when the valley rafters are rotated into the roof surface plane.

Sim , Nice ,I think you could explain EDF a little better . The jump to E in the text could confuse .

ReplyDeleteIt would be great to have our own contest here "Americas Top Carpenter" .If we used the several models we have from the European contests it would be a big challange for many here.

I added a could of more drawings. I don't know if it helps with the line EDF. The line EDF is confusing. It's not meant to be a continuous line. It's two separate lines ED and DF. It's continuous in this example because of the 90° eave angle. The line DF, as you know is perpendicular to the hip rafter run line.

Delete"Americas Top Carpenter" contest would be an extreme challenge for most American carpenters. We could design a contest model from the European contest models and have it printed on tee shirts to sell, to pay for the contest.

After looking at some of the World Skills models, I don't think I could compete with the 23 year old carpenters in the competition. It's amazing how much geometry they know. Let alone building the model in 22 hours.

The World Skills competitors have coaches and a support team. I wonder if the coaches and support team help them with the geometry? Once they started in on the model.

This goes back a while, now, but having discussed this while finishing my CAP Charpentier in France I can answer your question. To the best of my knowledge the candidates are not allowed to be coached once the comptetion starts. But at that stage in their studies the geometry is second nature for them. Even after a one year intensive course I could happily perform the trait for pièces de dévers from memory. A lot of their coaching is not related to carpentry directly, but time and stress management. Firstly, how to correctly allow time for the various stages of the project and secondly, how to cope and make the most of a situation if something goes wrong and they are forced to adapt.

DeleteWhat's funny is that some of them may not even understand the geometry. Application of rote-learned methods has been the way here for many centuries.

I imagine that the judges could help with the geometry by using other examples .

ReplyDeleteI would love to start something like that here .

I will look at the new lines ,we are in the middle of a snowstorm